| [A] Thief of Time [message #260082] |
Mi, 26 April 2006 21:53 |
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This is not noted in the excellent Annotated Pratchett File, it may be too
obvious to include, but having just re-read ToT I there is a reference to a
painting in the AM Art Gallery by Sir Robert Cuspidor entited "Waggon Stuck
in River". Could this be Constable's Haywain?
Martin
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| Re: [A] Thief of Time [message #260084 ] |
Mi, 26 April 2006 22:01 |
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Also Sprach MM:
> This is not noted in the excellent Annotated Pratchett
> File, it may be too obvious to include, but having just
> re-read ToT I there is a reference to a painting in the AM
> Art Gallery by Sir Robert Cuspidor entited "Waggon Stuck
> in River". Could this be Constable's Haywain?
IIRC, the haywain in the picture is in a millpond for some
reason, so it seems possible.
It would be stretching things for me to suggest "Sir Robert" =
"Robert Peel" = "Constable", however...
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Dave
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Penguin edition of Little Dorrit." -Joss Whedon
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| Re: Thief of Time [message #260130 ] |
Mi, 26 April 2006 23:35 |
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The reason Constable's Haywain is in the river is to soak the wheels.
On a hot day, the wood of the wheels would contract and there was a
risk that the metal tyres would fall off. Soaking in the river ensured
that the would expanded and kept the tyres properly fastened.
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| Re: Thief of Time [message #260132 ] |
Mi, 26 April 2006 23:36 |
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The reason Constable's Haywain is in the river is to soak the wheels.
On a hot day, the wood of the wheels would contract and there was a
risk that the metal tyres would fall off. Soaking in the river ensured
that the would expanded and kept the tyres properly fastened.
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| Re: Thief of Time [message #260133 ] |
Mi, 26 April 2006 23:35 |
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The reason Constable's Haywain is in the river is to soak the wheels.
On a hot day, the wood of the wheels would contract and there was a
risk that the metal tyres would fall off. Soaking in the river ensured
that the would expanded and kept the tyres properly fastened.
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| Re: [A] Thief of Time [message #260182 ] |
Do, 27 April 2006 01:01 |
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On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:53:17 +0100, MM wrote:
> This is not noted in the excellent Annotated Pratchett File, it may be too
> obvious to include, but having just re-read ToT I there is a reference to a
> painting in the AM Art Gallery by Sir Robert Cuspidor entited "Waggon Stuck
> in River". Could this be Constable's Haywain?
I would say almost certainly. That's certainly what entered my mind when I
first read the book.
grim.
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| Re: [A] Thief of Time [message #260280 ] |
Do, 27 April 2006 11:48 |
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grim:
> MM:
>>
>> This is not noted in the excellent Annotated Pratchett File, it may be too
>> obvious to include, but having just re-read ToT I there is a reference to a
>> painting in the AM Art Gallery by Sir Robert Cuspidor entited "Waggon Stuck
>> in River". Could this be Constable's Haywain?
>
> I would say almost certainly. That's certainly what entered my mind when I
> first read the book.
I guess it's a case of "one man's 'obvious' is another's 'must be a
reference to some furrin painting I've never heard of.'" :-)
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| Re: [A] Thief of Time [message #260295 ] |
Do, 27 April 2006 12:36 |
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On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:48:23 GMT, Jens Ayton
<XUBJGQWVKDKR [at] spammotel.com> jotted down:
>grim:
>> MM:
>>>
>>> This is not noted in the excellent Annotated Pratchett File, it may be too
>>> obvious to include, but having just re-read ToT I there is a reference to a
>>> painting in the AM Art Gallery by Sir Robert Cuspidor entited "Waggon Stuck
>>> in River". Could this be Constable's Haywain?
>>
>> I would say almost certainly. That's certainly what entered my mind when I
>> first read the book.
>
> I guess it's a case of "one man's 'obvious' is another's 'must be a
>reference to some furrin painting I've never heard of.'" :-)
Same here, but apparently it looks like this
http://www.mezzo-mondo.com/arts/mm/constable/COJ001.html
It does indeed look like something that could be described
as a painting of a waggon stuck in a river.
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| Re: [A] Thief of Time [message #260390 ] |
Do, 27 April 2006 18:38 |
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On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:48:23 +0000, Jens Ayton wrote:
> grim:
>> MM:
>>>
>>> This is not noted in the excellent Annotated Pratchett File, it may be
>>> too obvious to include, but having just re-read ToT I there is a
>>> reference to a painting in the AM Art Gallery by Sir Robert Cuspidor
>>> entited "Waggon Stuck in River". Could this be Constable's Haywain?
>>
>> I would say almost certainly. That's certainly what entered my mind
>> when I first read the book.
>
> I guess it's a case of "one man's 'obvious' is another's 'must be a
> reference to some furrin painting I've never heard of.'" :-)
Oh, I didn't mean to imply that it was too obvious; just to say that I
agreed. If it's not in the annotations then it should probably be added.
grim.
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| Re: [A] Thief of Time [message #260428 ] |
Do, 27 April 2006 21:19 |
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In a speech called Hr04g.54535$d5.209161 [at] newsb.telia.net,
Jens Ayton uttered thus:
> grim:
> > MM:
> > >
> > > This is not noted in the excellent Annotated Pratchett File, it
> > > may be too obvious to include, but having just re-read ToT I
> > > there is a reference to a painting in the AM Art Gallery by Sir
> > > Robert Cuspidor entited "Waggon Stuck in River". Could this be
> > > Constable's Haywain?
> >
> > I would say almost certainly. That's certainly what entered my
> > mind when I first read the book.
>
> I guess it's a case of "one man's 'obvious' is another's 'must be a
> reference to some furrin painting I've never heard of.'" :-)
In theory, it's one of the most famous paintings in the world.
Of course, that could just be the world of art-dealers.
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| Re: [A] Thief of Time [message #260430 ] |
Do, 27 April 2006 21:28 |
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Also Sprach grim:
> On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:53:17 +0100, MM wrote:
>
>> This is not noted in the excellent Annotated Pratchett
>> File, it may be too obvious to include, but having just
>> re-read ToT I there is a reference to a painting in the AM
>> Art Gallery by Sir Robert Cuspidor entited "Waggon Stuck
>> in River". Could this be Constable's Haywain?
>
> I would say almost certainly. That's certainly what entered
> my mind when I first read the book.
On a similar note, anyone want to guess as to Three Big Pink
Women And One Peice of Gauze and Man With Big Figleaf?
I'm guessing that the first is based on a painting of the
Fates, or Graces, or something along those lines. The second
could be just about any Victorian emulation of Rennaissance
heroic sculpture (the originals didn't bother with
figleaves...)
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Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
"[Wolverine]'s in every book. I think he just joined
the JLA, and for some reason he's in the revised
Penguin edition of Little Dorrit." -Joss Whedon
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| Re: [A] Thief of Time [message #260441 ] |
Do, 27 April 2006 21:47 |
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Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:
> On a similar note, anyone want to guess as to Three Big Pink
> Women And One Piece of Gauze
As you said (in the bit I snipped) 'The Three Graces'
http://www.artchive.com/artchive/R/rubens/three_graces.jpg.h tml
>and Man With Big Figleaf?
Made me think of Michelangelo's David, which is odd, because he
doesn't *have* a figleaf.
Diane L.
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| Re: [A] Thief of Time [message #260449 ] |
Do, 27 April 2006 22:21 |
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"Diane L" <dianenews [at] lindquist.plus.com> writes:
> Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:
> >and Man With Big Figleaf?
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> Made me think of Michelangelo's David, which is odd, because he
> doesn't *have* a figleaf.
I don't think Michelangelo gave David a figleaf, but one was supplied
later on. I believe it's in a museum somewhere nowadays, nowhere near
the statchue itself. Mind you, old David is unfeasibly under-endowed
so maybe this is a case of that funny Mr Pratchett being all ironical.
Cheers,
Matthew
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| Re: [A] Thief of Time [message #260458 ] |
Do, 27 April 2006 23:06 |
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In article <86zmi6zs54.fsf [at] happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk>,
Matthew Seaman generously decided to share with us..
Snippetry..
> Mind you, old David is unfeasibly under-endowed
That smacks of boasting to me..
Gid
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| Re: [A] Thief of Time [message #260470 ] |
Fr, 28 April 2006 00:23 |
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Matthew Seaman:
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> I don't think Michelangelo gave David a figleaf, but one was supplied
> later on. I believe it's in a museum somewhere nowadays, nowhere near
> the statchue itself.
I believe the fig leaf is in fact in a museum, in the same room as the
statue. (There's a copy in the original outdoor position.)
> Mind you, old David is unfeasibly under-endowed
> so maybe this is a case of that funny Mr Pratchett being all ironical.
Not infeasibly so, no. There's a great deal of range IRL.
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| Re: Thief of Time [message #260473 ] |
Fr, 28 April 2006 01:11 |
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From the Collected Witterings of [at] lec ©awley, volume 23:
> Soaking in the river ensured
> that the would expanded
Triple post and catastrophic spelling error. Not your day, is it, Alec? :P
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| Re: Thief of Time [message #260503 ] |
Fr, 28 April 2006 10:41 |
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Sorry. Posting via Google Groups for the first time, because I am on
holiday in Lisbon. I hit "post" and nothing seemed to happen, so I did
it again, twice. As to the typos - I'd has a very good supper with
plenty of wine.
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